Subtle But Significant Shift Posted by Ilan Goldenberg

Unless I missed something there was a significant shift in the Clinton, Obama and Edwards positions on Iraqi training security forces.  While all of them spent a good deal of time talking about residual troops for force protection and counter terrorism missions, no one talked about training.  This has been a staple of Democratic plans for years, and is still part of the various plans in Congress to drawdown forces. 

For months folks at the Center for American Progress have been pushing their Strategic Reset plan, which among other things argues that we should not be training Iraqi security forces unless political reconciliation can be achieved.  The rationale is pretty simple.  We may just be arming various sides in a civil war. 

The shift didn't happen at the debate itself.  All of the candidates' positions have been evolving in recent weeks.  But it was significant that the three leading candidates are all heading in this direction.  They are starting to catch on.

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[Aziz Poonawalla]

While all of them spent a good deal of time talking about residual troops for force protection and counter terrorism missions, no one talked about training... the three leading candidates are all heading in this direction. They are starting to catch on.

are they? absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

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Hey Ilan. I have a question. I posted your entry "Fuzzy Numbers...Again" over at Engram Backtalk, and asked him about the difference in Petraeus' numbers and the Pentagon's. He didnt address the point, but he pointed to Iraq Body Count's numbers in "Left Wing Confirmation of Petraeus Report" as some sort of proof that the numbers are down.

I was hoping you'd take a look at it and post your thoughts.

http://engram-backtalk.blogspot.com/2007/09/left-wing-confirmation-of-petraeus.html

-CaliGuy

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Clinton said she recognized "there will be remaining missions" for American forces in Iraq, but she said they would not require the roughly 100,000 troops expected to be in Iraq when the next president takes office. She listed counterterrorism, protecting U.S. personnel and training Iraqi forces as the other missions. "That's the right way to go because that is a much clearer definition of what we're trying to accomplish than what we face today," Clinton said.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/09/23/ftn/main3289284.shtml

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