New Thread: Petraeus's Testimony Fact Check
Posted by Ilan Goldenberg
Petraeus: Iraq-wide, as shown by the top line on this chart, the number of ethno-sectarian deaths has come down by over 55%,
The Pentagon and Administration’s definition of “Ethno sectarian
violence” excludes many types of violence that would indicate that the
security situation in Iraq is not improving. Shi’a on Shi’a
violence in the South is not included. Sunni on Sunni violence in the
central part of the country is not included. “According to one senior
intelligence official in Washington. ‘If a bullet went through the back
of the head, it's sectarian,’ the official said. ‘If it went through
the front, it's criminal.’" [Washington Post, 9/6/07]
According to numbers released by the Iraqi government, since July civilian casualties have risen 20% across Iraq. The numbers fell significantly in Baghdad. The figures, provided by Iraqi Interior Ministry officials on Saturday, mirrored the geographic pattern of the troop increase, which is focused on Baghdad. The national rise in mortality is partly a result of more than 500 deaths, in an August truck bomb attack on a Yazidi community in August north of the capital, outside the areas directly affected by the additional troops. [NY Times, 9/2/07]
Various numbers from the Iraqi Ministry of the Interior show no drop in violence. According to the Iraqi Ministry of Interior, 984 people were killed across Iraq in February, and 1,011 died in violence in August. No July numbers were released because the ministry said the numbers weren't clear. But an official in the ministry who spoke anonymously because he wasn't authorized to release numbers said those numbers were heavily manipulated. The official said 1,980 Iraqis had been killed in July and that violent deaths soared in August, to 2,890. [McClatchy, 9/10/07]
Petraeus: "Though the improvements have been uneven across Iraq, the overall number of security incidents in Iraq has declined in 8 of the past 12 weeks, with the numbers of incidents in the last two weeks at the lowest levels seen since June 2006."
According to General Petraeus Attacks are only down in only one of the last three weeks, but at the same time we have hit an all time low? In the National Intelligence Estimate released three weeks ago said that overall attacks had fallen in 7 out of 9 weeks. “The steep escalation of rates of violence has been checked for now, and overall attack levels across Iraq have fallen during seven of the last nine weeks.” [National Intelligence Estimate]
The DIA’s statistics show that attacks on civilians were at the same level in July that they were in, back in January. The defense intelligence chart makes the point, with figures from Petraeus' command in Baghdad, the Multinational Force-Iraq. Congressional auditors used the same numbers to conclude that Iraqis are as unsafe now as they were six months ago; the Bush administration and military officials also using those figures say that finding is flawed. [AP, 9/9/07]
Petraeus: We endeavor to ensure our analysis of that data is conducted with rigor and consistency, as our ability to achieve a nuanced understanding of the security environment is dependent on collecting and analyzing data in a consistent way over time.
There were significant revisions to the way the Pentagon’s reports measure sectarian violence between its March 2007 report and its June 2007 report. The original data for the five months before the surge began (September 2006 through January 2007) indicated approximately 5,500 sectarian killings. In the revised data in the June 2007 report, those numbers had been adjusted to roughly 7,400 killings – a 35% increase. These discrepancies have the impact of making the sectarian violence appear significantly worse during the fall and winter of 2006 before the President’s “surge” began. [DOD, 11/2006. 3/2007. 6/2007]
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Petraeus: That assessment is supported by the findings of a 16 August Defense Intelligence Agency report on the implications of a rapid withdrawal of US forces from Iraq. Summarizing it in an unclassified fashion, it concludes that a rapid withdrawal would result in the further release of the strong centrifugal forces in Iraq and produce a number of dangerous results, including a high risk of disintegration of the Iraqi Security Forces
Lantos points out that this is a disingenuous comparison. Nobody is talking about leaving in 2 weeks. Most are talking about a year. What is Petraeus's view on the reasonable middle grounds that are being presented by many military experts. Including his superior, Admiral Fallon.
3:28: Think Progress has a great nugget on overblowing success in Anbar.
4:02: Petraeus just acknowledged that the major threat is Al Qaeda central and that he has no ideas what Al Qaeda in Iraq would do if we left. In other words: doesn't sound like he's buying into this whole "fight them there so we don't have to fight them here"
I just found this site from a referral at Americablog. Great job! Thank you for liveblogging the Petraeus dog and pony show.
Posted by: Litterbox | September 10, 2007 at 02:38 PM
Okay, I'm convinced, things are more than fifty per cent better, time to go, let's get out. I previously thought the situation was as bad or worse, but I've seen the light. Pack up, guys, the trucks are waiting to take you to the planes.
Posted by: Don Bacon | September 10, 2007 at 05:17 PM
Good round-up of counter testimony.
At unbossed.com, I pointed out that one of Petraeus' slides today was woefully and probably deliberately misleading. It pretends that there has been no ethno-sectarian cleansing since December, whereas in fact Sunnis have been forced out of whole neighborhoods in droves.
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The body structure has been designed to ensure that, in the event of a frontal collision, the impact forces are distributed over a wide area and on four independently acting impact levels.
Around 70 per cent of all the bodywork panels are made from high-strength steel alloys that minimise weight and maximise safety. These steel grades also play a key role in protecting the occupants in the event of a side impact. The quadruple-skinned B-pillars and the side members, which absorb the bulk of any side-impact forces and channel these forces into the body structure, are made partially from ultra-high-strength, hot-formed high-tech steel.
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Accident statistics show that the number of accidents caused by skidding and head-to-tail collisions with serious consequences is reduced significantly if these technologies are on board. In addition, Brake Assist also helps to reduce the number of accidents involving pedestrians.
The C-Class is the only car in its market segment to feature an anticipatory occupant protection system in the shape of PRE-SAFE®. Standard on all UK C-Class Saloons, this innovation uses the time between detection of a potential accident situation and a possible collision to initiate preventive protective measures, thus reducing the loads exerted on the occupants in the event of an accident by up to 40 per cent.
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The new [url=http://myblognews.info/mercedessecret/mercedes-c-classsecret/]Mercedes-Benz C-Class[/url] saloon has been awarded the maximum five star crash test rating by Euro NCAP.
This result is confirmation that the C-Class safety concept performs extremely well in standardised rating crash tests. With seven airbags, seatbelt tensioners, belt-force limiters and NECK PRO crash-responsive head restraints fitted as standard, the Saloon offers its occupants a high level of protection should an accident occur.
The body structure has been designed to ensure that, in the event of a frontal collision, the impact forces are distributed over a wide area and on four independently acting impact levels.
Around 70 per cent of all the bodywork panels are made from high-strength steel alloys that minimise weight and maximise safety. These steel grades also play a key role in protecting the occupants in the event of a side impact. The quadruple-skinned B-pillars and the side members, which absorb the bulk of any side-impact forces and channel these forces into the body structure, are made partially from ultra-high-strength, hot-formed high-tech steel.
[url=http://myblognews.info/mercedessecret/]Mercedes[/url] safety systems place the emphasis firmly on accident avoidance and anticipatory occupant protection. Standard-fit systems such as ESP® and Brake Assist aid drivers at critical moments and help them to remain fully in control should a dangerous situation arise.
Accident statistics show that the number of accidents caused by skidding and head-to-tail collisions with serious consequences is reduced significantly if these technologies are on board. In addition, Brake Assist also helps to reduce the number of accidents involving pedestrians.
The C-Class is the only car in its market segment to feature an anticipatory occupant protection system in the shape of PRE-SAFE®. Standard on all UK C-Class Saloons, this innovation uses the time between detection of a potential accident situation and a possible collision to initiate preventive protective measures, thus reducing the loads exerted on the occupants in the event of an accident by up to 40 per cent.
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The new [url=http://myblognews.info/mercedessecret/mercedes-c-classsecret/]Mercedes-Benz C-Class[/url] saloon has been awarded the maximum five star crash test rating by Euro NCAP.
This result is confirmation that the C-Class safety concept performs extremely well in standardised rating crash tests. With seven airbags, seatbelt tensioners, belt-force limiters and NECK PRO crash-responsive head restraints fitted as standard, the Saloon offers its occupants a high level of protection should an accident occur.
The body structure has been designed to ensure that, in the event of a frontal collision, the impact forces are distributed over a wide area and on four independently acting impact levels.
Around 70 per cent of all the bodywork panels are made from high-strength steel alloys that minimise weight and maximise safety. These steel grades also play a key role in protecting the occupants in the event of a side impact. The quadruple-skinned B-pillars and the side members, which absorb the bulk of any side-impact forces and channel these forces into the body structure, are made partially from ultra-high-strength, hot-formed high-tech steel.
[url=http://myblognews.info/mercedessecret/]Mercedes[/url] safety systems place the emphasis firmly on accident avoidance and anticipatory occupant protection. Standard-fit systems such as ESP® and Brake Assist aid drivers at critical moments and help them to remain fully in control should a dangerous situation arise.
Accident statistics show that the number of accidents caused by skidding and head-to-tail collisions with serious consequences is reduced significantly if these technologies are on board. In addition, Brake Assist also helps to reduce the number of accidents involving pedestrians.
The C-Class is the only car in its market segment to feature an anticipatory occupant protection system in the shape of PRE-SAFE®. Standard on all UK C-Class Saloons, this innovation uses the time between detection of a potential accident situation and a possible collision to initiate preventive protective measures, thus reducing the loads exerted on the occupants in the event of an accident by up to 40 per cent.
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