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September 29, 2005

no ANSWER and a Real Hero
Posted by Lorelei Kelly

My cranky comments on ANSWER instigated a nice rumpus in the comments section. Just to pile-on a little more, my conversations with people involved in the stage portion of the march and rally on Saturday confirmed what others have observed. An activist friend even called them the "Operation Rescue" of the left. Apparently, they hogged the stage out of order and stalled the march to benefit themselves, sabotaging the efforts of their partner, United for Peace and Justice (who look all the better for organizing the real anti-war march) What might not have been evident on the television were the catcalls and boos coming from the mall audience. Not that it would have mattered. Like their intellectual compadres in the White House, this gang does not make decisions based on self reflection or consequences for the efforts of the greater good. --in this case the real American grass roots peace movement. This is not activism, it is what Utne Reader calls "activist-ism" or protesting just for the sake of it.

Activist-ism is like a combination of self indulgent-left maladies: a twelve step program for an inner child with a bad case of the martyr syndrome.

I guess we should just be glad that the Starbucks on New Jersey Avenue still has its windows intact.

Captain Ian Fishback--who has gone to our elected leaders with his observations of prisoner abuse in Iraq-- is my hero. Soldiers like him, heretics among the ranks, are what will ultimately save the US Army. He is throwing a wrench in the maw of an institution that will--perforce of its bureaucracy and inertia--not necessarily learn the lessons of Abu Ghraib. Please chime in if I'm goofing up here, but isn't it true that the abuse perpetuated at Abu Ghraib was picked up from TTP (Tactics, Techniques and Procedures) that claimed to have "worked" in Afghanistan?

Here's why Captain Fishback's actions are important far beyond his personal drama. TTP are the reports back from individual units deployed in wartime--and can include everything along the spectrum of activities in the life of a soldier, from setting up a roadblock to working with humanitarian groups to interrogating prisoners. Like raw data for a dissertation, these reports are gathered up in a continual feedback loop to inform military doctrine...which is the documented institutional memory of the vast bureaucracy of the American military....and which provide guidelines for the institution to change and grow. What ends up in TTP, therefore affects training and leader development and everything about the future of the armed forces. One day the Bush administration will be history and we will all gasp in relief. But when prisoner abuse gets into the very gears of bureaucracy and memory, we doom ourselves and our American ideals. Captain Fishback's protests may well save us from this fate.

Captain Fishback is a Christian. He likely values stories of kindness from the Bible, like the Good Samaritan, he doubtless believes in the Golden Rule and wants his nation to uphold its worthy standards. As a soldier, he likely knows the strategic value of reciprocity, as international law standards may one day save his life if he is taken prisoner. The Bush Administration is incompetent in this regard. They do not value reciprocity for they see themselves as unrivaled.

Post 9/11, Katrina, Kyoto and record deficits I guess I'd think we'd be used to it. The buck is always passed within the Bush Administration. Witness a real leader: The buck does stop, appparently, with Captain Fishback. We should all praise and admire him.

p.s. sorry no hyperlinks. My Apple will not accept them. Will try to fix.

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Captain Fishback is a Christian. He likely values stories of kindness from the Bible, like the Good Samaritan, he doubtless believes in the Golden Rule and wants his nation to uphold its worthy standards. As a soldier, he likely knows the strategic value of reciprocity, as international law standards may one day save his life if he is taken prisoner.

Actually, Lorelei, to be cynically honest (or honestly cynical) about it, I don't think Capt. Fishback will have to worry much in the future about being taken prisoner, since there is a great likelihood that his miltary career is going to be, if not totally derailed, probably permanented shunted to a siding, commanding an LSD (Large Steel Desk) at Fort Obscurity - if peer pressure does not hound him out of the military completely.
Sad to say, this latest Iraqi prisoner-abuse story seems to run smack up against the wall of utter apathy that most of the American media and public seem to have about the subject. Even sadder, I see little prospect of much outrage - by anyone that counts - in the future.

Anyone who want to talk about interrogation need to read the book "The Interrogator" by Chris Mackey. He wrote about TTP that was used effectively in Afghanistan, and Chris is a qualified interrogator.

I find most bloggers who write about detainee abuse mind-numbing ignorant since they know so litte (if anything) about the subject. Before one approachs the subject, one should at least understand the Principle of Interrogation. A good start is "The Interrogator." There is another good book on interrogation also titles "The Interrogator." This one is about the best German Luftwaffe interrogator in WWII and his techniques. It is required reading for many US interrogators.

Capt. Fishback has been furloughed for his courage. He can't get more than 50 miles from Ft. Bragg w/o a pass.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10394.htm

Capt. Fishback has been furloughed for his courage. He can't get more than 50 miles from Ft. Bragg w/o a pass.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article10394.htm

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